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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Repla


From: Dmitry Gutov
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:19:25 +0200
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Hi John!

Glad you could join us.

On 12/9/17 7:56 PM, John Wiegley wrote:
"EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> writes:

EZ> And please keep in mind that 2 years without any additional users is not
EZ> long enough to prove that this feature is useless. Let's also keep in mind
EZ> that this feature was reviewed at the time and admitted into Emacs, which
EZ> means Stefan did think at least back then that it could be useful in
EZ> practice. We should give people a chance before deciding it is completely
EZ> useless and worthy of removal.

I agree with Eli here. It's very hard for any one person, with their own
particular way of using Emacs, and communication channels they pay attention
to, to know for certain what other people are using a feature for -- or if
they're using it at all.

What "one person"? The expected uptick in support and users I'm talking about would have to be inside Emacs. Because that's where the most popular and important major modes are.

And yet, nothing happened since the original feature's addition.

Lest we forget:

     https://xkcd.com/1172/

So unless there's a more compelling reason, like that it's getting in your
way, we'd need a stronger argument to reverse an agreed-upon decision that's
only 2 years old.

Let me remind you of the previous (shorter) discussion on this subject:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-03/msg01425.html

A "better answer", if I do say so myself, has been proposed. Even Stefan, who objected to the original removal, is onboard. And yet, it's not being accepted.

So tell me, please, which of these "agreed-upon decisions" are we going to reverse? One that Stefan made and would now prefer to go back on, or the one that you made yourself?

(Sorry for getting all political, but the amount of messages in this thread is getting ridiculous. I did not sign up for this much wasted time.)



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