Re: [External] : Re: Default custom file was: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA

[LdBeth]

>>>>> In <87lezrvyfx.fsf@yahoo.com> 
>>>>>   Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
DA> And why was that change finally made?  It's
DA> what those who decided expected that more
DA> users would expect & want.  Users out in
DA> the wild expect to see text that they select
DA> to act on ("activated") be highlighted, so
DA> they can see what they'll act on.
DA>
DA> What was the effect on users who did NOT
DA> want `transient-mark-mode' on by default?
DA>
DA> They turned it off.  End of story.  Some
DA> muffled grumbles, nothing more.  Why?
DA> Because you can still use Emacs as before -
DA> just turn `t-m-mode' off (Customize).
DA> Happy campers all around.

PL> Lucky.  We don't know that would be the case
PL> here.  (And it was not the case with
PL> transient-mark-mode either.)

DA> Why didn't we go all the way toward what most
DA> new users out there really expected, which is
DA> something more like `delete-selection-mode'
DA> (which turns on `transient-mark-mode')?  Why
DA> stop with `t-m-mode', which corresponds to
DA> neither what users get outside Emacs nor what
DA> Emacs behavior is with `t-m-mode' off?
DA>
DA> We should have, IMO.  Not enough weight to
DA> balance the rotund body of Status Quo.  I've
DA> been betting on `delete-selection-mode' being
DA> turned on by default after a few decades, but
DA> it's already been a few decades now...  (I'm
DA> still betting on that happening sometime.)

PL> Turning delete-selection-mode on by default
PL> would be extremely confusing.  I sincerely
PL> hope that long standing default behavior will
PL> never change as well.

Before reading this thread I was not aware of the
`delete-selection-mode' after years of using
Emacs.

Think it might be a idea to add a list of customize variables
that could make Emacs behavior closer to "modern
editors" experience to the setup wizard (or
tutorial).

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LDB