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Re: Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged (was Re: Tree-sitter a


From: Eli Zaretskii
Subject: Re: Suggesting that feature/tree-sitter be merged (was Re: Tree-sitter and major mode inheritance)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:29:11 +0200

> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
> Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>   Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>   jostein@kjonigsen.net
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:34:13 +0000
> 
> Jostein KjĂžnigsen <jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net> writes:
> 
> > Instead of waiting for "every" major-mode to be re-implemented into a
> > tree-sitter derivative in the feature/tree-sitter branch before we
> > merge... How about we just accept the current "core" tree-sitter
> > implementation as good enough, and consider merging that to git master
> > as is.
> 
> I think this sounds like a good idea -- as someone who has mostly just
> been following the discussions.  The core bindings and major modes that
> are based on these are separate issues, with a clear dependency linked
> them.

>From where I stand, it makes very little sense to release Emacs 29
with tree-sitter support that is limited to primitives and some
minimal Lisp glue on top of that.  Tree-sitter was added to Emacs to
allow major modes provide better support for editing program source
code, so having tree-sitter "support" in Emacs 29 that didn't include
at least several major modes using it would be disappointing at best.
It would mean we ourselves have no idea how to make major modes use
the feature.  Moreover, adding those few major modes on the branch
exposed several deficiencies in the original design and
implementation, and required changes to make the integration better;
releasing Emacs 29 with those issues unresolved (and unknown) would
require significant, sometimes incompatible changes in the future,
which is another reason why it would be wrong.

Basically, my firm belief is that adding to Emacs infrastructure
without user-level applications built on that infrastructure is wrong
and runs the risk of producing features that are not used or need deep
surgery before they become useful.  We should avoid doing that as much
as possible.

> As an aside: This might also be a good opportunity to clean up some of
> the current major mode implementations and make them more consistent.
> The issue with custom options to enable tree-sitter for every major mode
> has revealed an inherent duplication of features.  There are other
> inconsistencies, especially regarding bindings for equivalent operations
> (e.g. in interpreted language with a repl, how to load function into the
> current session: Lisp, Prolog, Python all differ in minor details).

Cleaning up major modes is a Good Thing that needs no opportunities.
We should do that whenever we know and agree how.

> The current branch has major modes, should these be deleted before
> merging?

Definitely not!  These modes are there because we want Emacs 29 to
have them, and we want users to use them and report back.



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