Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode

[Philip Kaludercic]

Jens Schmidt <jschmidt4gnu@vodafonemail.de> writes:

>> Some people are afraid of communicating with the mailing list or
>> reporting bugs because of an image issue.  I have on more than one
>> occasion heard of people who intentionally avoid communicating with
>> emacs-devel due to bad experience.  Others fear sending a message out
>> into the blue and not knowing who will read and respond to what they
>> said, will they be shouted down or just ignored.
>
> Exactly.  TBH I still have to assemble courage to post here.  All these
> top dogs with their super-dry yet elaborate communication style are
> surely, um, intimidating.  Po Lu's mails, to pick one example, are a
> constant source of new English vocabulary for me (recent addition:
> "brazen").  But at least RMS lets slip in some typos in his mails...

I think everyone makes mistakes sometimes when posting here.  I can't
count the number of times when I added the wrong patch, forgot to CC
everyone, responded to the wrong message, misunderstood someones point
entirely, typos .... and nobody really cares.  If I see someone make a
mistake, I just gloss over it (unless it affects me or I can help in
some way).

The fear you describe is relatable, my first message to the Emacs
developers was written just over 4½ years ago, and I have only been
contributing more regularly for about 3 years.  That being said, I
cannot explain the fact that I don't worry about every message, other
than if you send normal and kind messages, you get normal and kind
responses.

>> What I think the Org project does well is the "This month in Org" line
>> of posts, that help highlight contributions from newcomers and
>> familiarise those familiar with a mailing list with the procedures going
>> on here.
>
> Mixing the "help" mailing list with the "devel" mailing list is another
> things that makes Org more attractive to users, I guess.  It feels more
> democratic.  But then, Org feels more bazaar-like, as a whole, and Emacs
> more cathedral-like.

Democratic is a weird word to use here, IMO.  Either way, I think it
makes sense to split between development-talk and regular help.  There
is a lot of weird noise on help-gnu-emacs@ that really don't have
to make reading emacs-devel@ any more difficult.