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Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

From: Bruce D'Arcus
Subject: Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:41:26 -0400

I obviously can't speak for John, but on this:

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 1:11 PM Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote:
> >
> > citenum and bibentry are the only two I am not sure have a CSL analog.

As I said in an earlier message, it's no problem to add these. Someone
can always add the bibentry/fullcite style to oc-csl later, if and
when Andras adds the functionality to citeproc-el.

Though it's feasible, I doubt you'll ever see citenum in CSL, since
those sorts of low-level commands don't really fit there.

But that also is not a problem.

> I read your messages once more and I should say that I feel some
> disagreement of this one (I removed most of it) and the earlier and
> longer one from Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400
> m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu">https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu
> I admit that org-ref is carefully tuned to your workflow. I hope, it is
> possible to left aside decomposition of org-cite into modules for some time.
> Let's assume org-cite with natbib backend for citations and org-ref for
> cross-references. It seems, a couple of missed styles currently is not a
> problem due to the defcustom for the mapping.

The mapping defcustom is currently only in oc-biblatex. It might be
worth adding it to oc-natbib, and so generalizing how these mappings
are handled in latex?


> Are there still any technical limitations that prevent getting in the
> exported LaTeX file the same citation commands as for org-ref?
> In particular I am worrying concerning
> https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref README (and the same phrase from the
> earlier message):
> > org-cite does not meet my citation and technical document publishing
> > needs, and it was not possible to integrate it into org-ref without
> > compromising those.
> Does it refer to exported result or to convenience of working with
> citations? Would it help if it were possible to choose style by its
> natbib command?
> I see that you do not like org-cite styles, but I can not figure out
> what are the real blockers that prevent producing documents having the
> same quality.

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