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Re: (Really) Free Software future
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Ricardo Wurmus |
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Re: (Really) Free Software future |
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Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:25:22 +0200 |
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Alfred M. Szmidt <address@hidden> writes:
> > I agree that systemd has quality/complexity issues, but it is not
> > vendor lock-in. It is free software so you can fork it – and if your
> > fork would be better, distributions would use it and Red Hat would
> > stay alone with their original systemd.
>
> In your dreams. How can you compete with a company having full-time
> software developers with your own free time??
> It is a vendor lock-in. Period!
>
> There are many projects that have grown large, and it would be
> impossilble for a single person to do the same amount of work -- but
> that is not the same as being locked to a vendor. You can still try
> and do the work, you can get others to help you, or you can hire other
> hackers to do it for you.
>
> With systemd, and really any free software, you are not dependant on
> some other organization to do your bidding -- you can do it yourself.
I agree. I’d also like to point out that this has in fact been done
already. Elogind exists — it was carved out of systemd — and it is
sufficient to use GNOME. It’s a rather healthy project in its own
right.
Elogind and the corresponding parts of systemd provide a service of
actual value to GNOME, so it is not surprising that they use it and
depend on it. I would not call this lock-in, just like any other
dependency on free software tools or services would be an instance of
lock-in.
FWIW this is what the elogind README has to say:
You're welcome to use elogind for whatever purpose you like -- as-is,
or as a jumping-off point for other things -- but please don't use it
as part of some anti-systemd vendetta. We are appreciative of the
systemd developers logind effort and think that everyone deserves to
run it if they like. No matter what kind of PID1 they use.
:)
--
Ricardo
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, (continued)
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alexander Vdolainen, 2019/10/15
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, František Kučera, 2019/10/16
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/16
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Alfred M. Szmidt, 2019/10/17
- Re: (Really) Free Software future, Svante Signell, 2019/10/17
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