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Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing develo

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Subject: Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:16:50 +0200

On 26 juin 2012, at 18:26, David Kastrup wrote:

> Graham Percival <address@hidden> writes:
>> Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It’s clearly a big
>> problem, but this isn’t something we can fix by waving a change of
>> policy. I’ll schedule a time to discuss it. We need to do
>> something about this, although at the moment I have no immediate
>> suggestions.
> I have one.  It may sound absurd, but then I have learnt "once you ruled
> out the impossible whatever remains however improbable might be
> effective", and there are a few things that somehow or other appear to
> be hard, particularly for me.  Decent communication in electronic media
> is one of the things I am spectacularly bad at.  One thing that has
> turned out to be effective at times is meeting people in person.
> While I won't be as audacious to state that this is a cure-all, it lends
> more depth to your communication partners than the rather anonymous
> style of communicating through electronic letters does, and has a
> lasting effect.  It has been more effective in deflating tensions
> permanently than other measures I can think of.  It is, in a way,
> pitiful that this should work, but then it still would be more of a pity
> not to make use of that.
> I am living in a sort-of commune in a rural region, in a house next to
> the stables of a riding school (my girl friend makes a somewhat
> unimpressive living from that).  I seem to remember that Werner was away
> until the middle of August, and the school holidays last until August
> 21st.  There is no real need to synchronize to the school holidays since
> our activities are more or less independent from that of the school.  We
> could, however, target Friday August 17th to Tuesday August 21st (or, if
> it is more convenient for people, one week later) for a meeting for
> programming, composing and talking.  It is not like there is a shortage
> of programming projects one could tackle together.  Guilev2 migration
> anybody?
> We could do a few workshops, like "working on the parser", "fiddling
> with the backend", "introduction to GOOPS", "becoming friends with the
> garbage collector", "scything stinging nettles", "shoveling heaps of
> crap" (this can be even practiced without a computer).  Accommodation
> can be arranged for a number of people.
> If the basic mailing list relations of at least some core of developers
> have become more relaxed, it helps for cooperating in creating a more
> welcoming atmosphere.  One can better compensate for other people's
> fault.  I am, of course, a natural contender for organizing such a
> meeting since few people would likely deny that my own ways of
> interacting with others on our lists could benefit a lot from
> improvement.
> So the core data would be "Dortmund Germany" (about 10 miles from there)
> and the proposal for a date would Friday August 17th to Tuesday August
> 21st, or one week later.
> Yes, it sounds silly as a means to address the GOP question.  But once I
> have ruled out all mature and sane ways of addressing a problem, I have
> not rarely have had some success trying the silly ones.
> Are you with me?
> -- 
> David Kastrup
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This is an excellent idea.  I'll be away on those dates for my grandfather's 
90th birthday, but I hope you guys can pull it off!  We did something like this 
in Paris a year back and a good time was had by all.


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