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Re: Ties across staves in a PianoStaff

From: searchfgold
Subject: Re: Ties across staves in a PianoStaff
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT)

<< { r4 r r\pp \slurDown g1( \change Staff = "lower" a,2 ~ a8\> ees ees4\!)
r r } \\ { \tieDown des'1. ~ des2.\> ~ des4\! r r } >>
This looks fine and means the same thing musically. And in the second
example, it looks like the splitting into two voices MAY be implied.

u_li wrote:
> While I understand your objections, I have these examples in a score I
> have to typeset:
> des.jpg 
> double.jpg 
> They are from an unknown copyist after a score by Webern, and it may well
> be decided (by me and others) to respect their setting because after all
> it is telling us something.
> In the first example I could just use a slur instead of a tie (as long as
> I'm only interested in the printed output). But how would I achieve the
> two ties in the second example? As I understand it, slurs are drawn only
> once in a chord, while I can tie individual notes within a chord.
> Do I have to split the chord (f#/b) in two voices to be able to slur them
> separately?
> Best
> Urs
> searchfgold wrote:
>> I don't think you really should do this, as it is musically incorrect.
>> Whenever there is a tie or a slur across staves it is treated as a slur,
>> and in fact, sometimes repeated notes that are slurred are placed on
>> different staves and slurred. In other words, it would cause much
>> confusion. Maybe try slurring the notes and placing a markup saying tie
>> over the middle section of the slur; I don't now how to do this but there
>> is probably someone somewhere who does and wrote a snippet.
>> Great topic!
>> u_li wrote:
>>> If I place tied notes in different staves of a PianoStaff, the tie is
>>> placed at a quite strange position - and horizontally.
>>> for example (within a PianoStaff context, both staves with the same
>>> clef):
>>> \change Staff = "lower"
>>> d2~
>>> \change Staff = "upper"
>>> d2
>>> I also come across this problem with chords, so I can't just use a slur
>>> instead (which would of course also produce different midi output).
>>> Is there any workaround for this?
>>> Many thanks
>>> Urs

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