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Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Project Structure

From: Dan Kuykendall
Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Project Structure
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:10:55 -0700
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Chris Weiss wrote:

Dan Kuykendall (address@hidden) wrote:

I will pull back control of the project.....

Please do!  You have a knack for keeping moral up and things moving along, but 
last year or so you have been mostly absent and the project has suffered.

I have been trying to arrange my schedule to allow more phpGW time. Right now its a bit hard.

As for past contributions, even you have admited that a lot of the code was a
learning experience and you now see that large chunks of it need rewritten for
performance and security.  How exactly is this to be done when the ones that 
it do not participate?

None of us is stopping anyone else from trying to rewrite these things. In fact I wrote a new ACL and submitted what I had. Anyone that felt the need could have picked it up and continued with it. I will continue with it as soon as I can.

How do i define participate?  commit something.  answer emails on the list other
than political responses.  Follow through with what you say you will do or pass 
the permissions so someone else can.  What am i talking about?  Savahna issues 
didn't get resolved that you have access to and no one else.  We had to beg on 
savahna guys to do it.  acl2.  xslt.  database....when where you planning on 
your discoveries about PEAR?  like it doesn't affect us or anything...

My xslt plans and my acl2 are all in cvs. I commited them for everyone to see. I just could complete the entire process due to time. As far as the savannah issues, the savannah hackers are the ones that do most of the stuff. I happen to have some special permissions for controlling who has access to commit to the API. Thats the only real reason for the extra permissions I have.

Dan, you have not been leading the project.  Dave has.  One of thing I've always
liked about his project is that has been about making things work, doing the 
Now you want to sit in the shadows doing who knows what and won't give those 
who are
doing the job the power to do it to the best they can.

I know Dave is leading right now. I have given him moral support and not really stood in his way. If I have, show me how. I gave him admin rights to the savannah project, and shell access to the website. Theres not much more I can do to allow him to help lead the project. Ceb is also involved, so she also is trying to help lead the project.

You want to fork?  I can say for sure your fork will die a silent and lonely 

I dont want a fork. And if one did happen, I think phpGW would continue. I would just need to find a way to become more active.

 As the old saying goes: Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.  I will
follow.  I supported you in every task each time you "returned", even if others
didn't get it, or didn't even know who you are.  Now you threaten to pull the
project and make it "lonely" just because you no longer have the time to 
lead?  I will not support you in that.

I have always appreciated your support. I have basicly "gotten out of the way", but not messing with what Dave wants to do unless I think its something that could dramaticly hurt the project.


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