Re: [Denemo-devel] tablature status (August 2012)

[Jeremiah Benham]

Things seem extremely broken in gub fur the static linux build. Evince required 
a version of glibc that requires a linux kernal header upgrade. Glibc also 
requires glibc-core  this package I think is derived from old glibc and is 
hosted on lilyponds website. Unfortunately, this glibc-core only seemed to work 
with the old glibc. So it seems like a mess.

I can create another windows build in a few days. 

I have created a fork of gub on github so that otherscan reproduce the results 
of tge windows build. It might be missing a file or two but am not sure what is 
missing.

Jeremiah

Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:

>How are things going with the static linux thing? I have fixed the
>outstanding issues for Windows binary (AFAIK) so we are looking good for
>a release.
>Richard
>
>On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:10 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
>> The windows git snapshot works perfectly in wine. I can work toward creating 
>> a static linux version in the next few days.
>> 
>> Jeremiah
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
>> 
>> Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 18:05 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> >> Il 07/08/2012 17:34, Richard Shann ha scritto:
>> >> > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:09 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Denemo developers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wonder what's the status of tablature support in Denemo.
>> >> >> Every now and then I try Denemo to check it but...as I've never used 
>> >> >> it,
>> >> >> I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm using Denemo 0.9.2 on Debian testing.
>> >> >> I can see that I can input the music in a Staff and choose TabStaff as
>> >> >> output. The PDF will contain only the TabStaff.
>> >> >> I don't know if this is a new feature or just the fact that I'm using
>> >> >> the lilypond mode.
>> >> > It's been in there for a while - 0.9.4 is pretty out of date - we have
>> >> > 0.9.6 ready. It tells LilyPond do print the staff as tab. If you want
>> >> > both the straightforward thing to do is to duplicate the staff I guess.
>> >> > That would be a bit crude though - if you edited one the other would
>> >> > need re-creating.
>> >> 
>> >> No, too crude :)
>> >> 
>> >> > With the upcoming release you could have a layout that printed the same
>> >> > music on two staffs one as tab the other as normal staff notation. (This
>> >> > is actually possible in 0.9.4 but you have to know LilyPond and create a
>> >> > custom scoreblock to do it in the View->LilyPond window - the score
>> >> > layout feature of 0.9.6 avoids you having to know the LilyPond to do
>> >> > this).
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> LilyPond is not a problem (actually I love LilyPond "interface" and I'm 
>> >> trying some frontend only for teaching purposes, as LilyPond is too 
>> >> geeky for most of people).
>> >> 
>> >> Good to know that 0.9.4 would support it somehow.
>> >hmm, I see I gave the impression this was new in 0.9.4, but actually you
>> >can do this sort of thing in versions going back much further. What is
>> >new in 0.9.6 is that you can have several different score layouts kept
>> >with your music, which don't need updating when you correct the music.
>> >And you can create many sorts of layouts without getting geeky with
>> >LilyPond.
>> >> My problem now is that I cannot compile Denemo without breaking other 
>> >> programs.
>> >> I decided not to use 'apt-get build-dep denemo' because it wanted to 
>> >> replace jack2 with jack. And I use some programs which depend on jack2: 
>> >> ardour and stretchplayer, for example.
>> >> So I tried installing dependencies one by one, following the warnings of 
>> >> configure. And I had to stop when installing libfluidsynth-dev, because 
>> >> again it wanted to replace jack2 with jack.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm stuck here.
>> >> Unfortunately even Debian sid doesn't have 0.9.4 yet:
>> >
>> >I think that is probably my fault for not alerting the Debian packager
>> >about 0.9.4, partly because I knew 0.9.6 was coming hot on its heels. 
>> >It sounds like this dependency problem is one between fluidsynth and
>> >jack? Not one we can do anything about in Denemo? I wonder if we should
>> >create a statically linked binary for GNU/Linux that people could try
>> >out, or use until the distros catch up... As it stands, folk running
>> >Windows are better off than those on GNU/Linux, which is bad for free
>> >software.
>> >If knowledgeable folk are listening in, please feel free to advise!
>> >
>> >Richard
>> >
>> >
>> >> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=denemo&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
>> >> 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Obviously I'm looking for the normal workflow, such as in Tuxguitar and
>> >> >> in lilypond: you write the music in the Staff and you see the notes
>> >> >> (well, the numbers) appearing automatically also in TabStaff.
>> >> > If you are thinking about what you see as you enter the music (rather
>> >> > than what is printed) then no, Denemo has no routines to display tab.
>> >> 
>> >> I see, I guessed it
>> >> 
>> >> > You would enter notes and Denemo would print the same notes on two
>> >> > staffs one tab and one normal. Or you could have a layout where they
>> >> > were printed out one after the other as separate pieces of music, if
>> >> > that is what you wanted.
>> >> 
>> >> If 0.9.4 allows to enter music in one staff and make it appear in two 
>> >> staves, it would be a good compromise. At least I could print 
>> >> Staff+TabStaff, which is what I want.
>> >> 
>> >> Unfortunately I can't test it now.
>> >> 
>> >> > HTH
>> >> > Richard
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is it possible in Denemo?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PS Link to the old manual is broken:
>> >> >> http://denemo.org/Manual
>> >> >
>> >> > hmm, where is the link? With the upcoming release you get tooltips
>> >> > almost everywhere... and the possibility of translating Denemo.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> I mean, this page doesn't work:
>> >> http://old.denemo.org/doc/denemo-manual.html
>> >> 
>> >> Tooltips are a good solution, sometimes they can almost replace 
>> >> Documentation.
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
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