Re: New ProjectCenter Icons

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 11.09.2007 um 19:39 schrieb Riccardo:

> Hi,
>
> > > I actually prefer to have separate, apps for editing different   
> > > things ... then their gui can be better tailored to the specific  
> > > task.
>
> I too prefer  having different applications for different tasks. I  
> Find that PB and IB are well integrated together, PC and GORM will  
> follow.

Yes, they are integrated, but I would not agree that they are *well*  
integrated. I can imagine a lot of areas where integration could be  
better.

And it is the basic question: should PC and GORM follow what Apple is  
doing or try to go a different - potentially better way?

> > My main target for this discussion is to think about how GNUstep   
> > could revolutionize IDEs by making things really simpler for  
> > daily  work... This might help to attract new developers and  
> > users. So, it  is more to be seen as a feature request for PC/GORM  
> > 2.0
>
> I would rather leave things as they ar, just improve them. A big do- 
> it-all application just gets more complex. Look at the simplicity  
> of PB compared to XCode...

Yes, that is a good argument.

Xcode got so complex because it even includes a Class browser and a  
Data Entity relationship modeler (a graphical tool!) for defining the  
CoreData models. I have really no clue why Apple decided to integrate  
that into Xcode and not IB or vice versa...

> Also note that IB can be used to edit NIB files without a project,  
> you can open files included in an application (that is also a  
> selling point, translate things once deployed, etc etc)

You can also open Source code files in Xcode without having a  
project. So, why should it not be possible to open NIB files without  
a project?

> Note also that Gorm provides GormLib so if you really feel the need  
> of a different ide you can create a new, revolutionary one. It may  
> be a feature of for example ProjectManager to integrate these  
> different concepts. There is no doubt that some developer might  
> prefer that way, other the current traditional way. So providing  
> both...
>
> PC and GORM are just an implementation, everybody can do them in a  
> different way.

Hm - while I like this idea of doing things differently - I always  
hear that fragmentation and duplication of efforts is not so good...

And the basic question that is driving me into this discussion is not  
answered: how can we attract new users and developers?
IMHO one puzzle piece is by starting to develop better concepts than  
there are today (e.g. from Apple).