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Re: Savannah bug tracker disabled?

From: Umberto Cerrato
Subject: Re: Savannah bug tracker disabled?
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:16:13 +0000


Just sayin’…

Do you know how can GitHub achieve that? It gives its services for free 

Anyway, honestly I like and prefer GitHub. It had success for reasons. It’s 
more user-friendly, it does work, everyone know “how to use it”. There are 
really a lot of pros to it. I think it was a good move moving gnustep to 
GitHub. I do not know you really well, I could say I’m new here, but it seems 
you are “few”. Something like a little community. And maybe this can change, 
adopting more common software tools.
Also, I would add that gnustep itself is quite “complicated to understand”… 
“how can I install gnustep” “what’s gnustep” “what can I do with it?”

I know it’s another proprietary service, but what about creating a Discord 
Server for it?

> Il giorno 4 nov 2019, alle ore 11:46, Ivan Vučica <address@hidden> ha scritto:
> I’ll answer as if you are asking the question and not asking rhetorically.
> Whoever hosts the project takes over the responsibility for:
> - storing user credentials
> - abuse management
> - security and service upgrades
> - data migration when moving from service A to service B
> - possibly even GDPR and other privacy requests (data portability, right to 
> be forgotten)
> - backups AND restores
> - service uptime and monitoring (remember, no SLO means 100% uptime which is 
> a terrible impossible-to-reach target)
> - administrative overhead and user support
> - complaints when things aren’t going right
> - deciding who gets administrative credentials to execute all of the above
> - deciding how to finance all this ($5 droplet on digital ocean or something 
> more?€
> - technical planning for all the above
> They take this on even if they are not aware of it.
> I’m hosting my own stuff. Aside from development work, for three weeks a 
> quarter hold a pager and/or respond to tickets in my professional life and/or 
> shepherd automated or semiautomated software deployment processes. Something 
> like GNUstep hosting would be less labor than that — but it’s still quite 
> some stuff to be responsible for.
> This is even before we get into technical choices you should make and how 
> long it takes to deploy them.
> apt-get install $LISTOFPACKAGES won’t cut it.
> On Mon 4 Nov 2019 at 10:26, Umberto Cerrato <address@hidden> wrote:
> Why don’t you self host your project in your own website? Something like a 
> self hosted Savannah or similar (there are few around). Then you could: 
> modify the UI to make it more GitHub-like and user friendly and leave some 
> landing projects on GitHub, GitLab etc. that redirect to your e.g. subdomain 
> with hosted files and bug tracker etc.
> Hello there anyway…
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