Re: Savannah bug tracker disabled?

[Jordan Schidlowsky]

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> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:39 PM, Matt Rice <ratmice@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:59 AM Gregory Casamento
> <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:36 PM Jordan Schidlowsky <jordan@noodlecake.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is everyone here forgetting git is not svn?  git is a DISTRIBUTED 
>>> versioning system.  As in, when you use checkout a repo you have a copy of 
>>> the ENTIRE repository.  Github is really just another remote for the repo.  
>>> It's absolutely TRIVIAL to setup a mirror on whatever other service you 
>>> like (including hosting your own solution).
>> 
>> 
>> No, I'm not forgetting.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If people are really concerned about the bug/issue tracking being tied to 
>>> github's platform, then just do in-repository tracking.  Pretty simple.  If 
>>> you wanna take advantage of the GitHub platform for pull requests and issue 
>>> tracking then do it.  If you are concerned about ANY part of the project 
>>> being tied to a service/hosting provider then just add some process to 
>>> track those things in-repository as well...    (include the wiki and the 
>>> website as well?)
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug  (GPL BTW)
>> 
>> 
>> I like this because it means we can take our bug list with us.  I wish there 
>> was a way I could export the bugs from Savannah and import them here.
> 
> I kind of like this, What I suppose I would really like is if bug
> reports had good support for markdown format, and you could integrate
> markdown code blocks directly into the bug thread
> and extract them as testcases for use in the testsuite.  I don't know
> if there is anything like that out there, but seems like it could be
> nice.
> 
> Sorry kind of random...

 I guess I really don’t get it...  Isn’t this exactly github?

> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TBH most of this thread is FUD.  git itself solves almost all these 
>>> problems.  IMHO, use GitHub as a remote for the repo (the advantages are 
>>> clear).  If some don't like GitHub or have issues with it, mirror.  If 
>>> there are concerns about vendor lock-in, then track (or additionally track) 
>>> in-repository.
>> 
>> 
>> I was simply trying to move things forward.  If people really want me to 
>> open back up savannah's bug tracker I will do so, but I believe it's best to 
>> use the one here as the main one and that was for older bugs.  No new bugs 
>> should be opened there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:46 AM, Ivan Vučica <ivan@vucica.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll answer as if you are asking the question and not asking rhetorically.
>>> 
>>> Whoever hosts the project takes over the responsibility for:
>>> 
>>> - storing user credentials
>>> - abuse management
>>> - security and service upgrades
>>> - data migration when moving from service A to service B
>>> - possibly even GDPR and other privacy requests (data portability, right to 
>>> be forgotten)
>>> - backups AND restores
>>> - service uptime and monitoring (remember, no SLO means 100% uptime which 
>>> is a terrible impossible-to-reach target)
>>> - administrative overhead and user support
>>> - complaints when things aren’t going right
>>> - deciding who gets administrative credentials to execute all of the above
>>> - deciding how to finance all this ($5 droplet on digital ocean or 
>>> something more?€
>>> - technical planning for all the above
>>> 
>>> They take this on even if they are not aware of it.
>>> 
>>> I’m hosting my own stuff. Aside from development work, for three weeks a 
>>> quarter hold a pager and/or respond to tickets in my professional life 
>>> and/or shepherd automated or semiautomated software deployment processes. 
>>> Something like GNUstep hosting would be less labor than that — but it’s 
>>> still quite some stuff to be responsible for.
>>> 
>>> This is even before we get into technical choices you should make and how 
>>> long it takes to deploy them.
>>> 
>>> apt-get install $LISTOFPACKAGES won’t cut it.
>>> 
>>>> On Mon 4 Nov 2019 at 10:26, Umberto Cerrato <umbertocerrato@outlook.it> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why don’t you self host your project in your own website? Something like a 
>>>> self hosted Savannah or similar (there are few around). Then you could: 
>>>> modify the UI to make it more GitHub-like and user friendly and leave some 
>>>> landing projects on GitHub, GitLab etc. that redirect to your e.g. 
>>>> subdomain with hosted files and bug tracker etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Hello there anyway…
>>> 
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>> Gregory Casamento
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