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Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes

From: Bernd Paysan
Subject: Re: Gforth not working in android 12 onward because of google changes
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:02:27 +0200

Am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2023, 07:18:08 CEST schrieb Juraj B:
> Hello!
> I have tried installing gforth from the play store onto my tablet which is
> currently running android 12.
> It worked as expected except for one thing: I tried to edit the .options
> file. I couldn't find it.

It's not created by default.  If you want to put something in there, you need 
to create it.

> My guess is that it's somewhere in Android/data,
> which has been made impossible to edit from within android, the only way to
> access it is from a computer, but since I have a samsung tablet, I can't do
> that in linux, it is only possible with windows.

You should be able to copy files from your computer using adb push (Android 

But yes, Googles attempt to turn Android into another iOS-like golden cage is 
a real problem.

> Besides that, even if I
> didn't have this problem, I'd still like to be able to start forth with the
> options that I want without an external device.

You can also create that file via Gforth directly:

s" .options" r/w create-file throw value fd
s" -m64M" fd write-line throw
fd close-file throw

It's not as comfortable as an editor, though, and I think, I have to add an 
editor sooner or later, because the way Android now cages their apps.

> I was also unable to start
> any of the examples as I couldn't locate them (again, my hunch is that
> they're somewhere in Android/data). It would be nice to move those files
> somewhere outside that folder, where they can be accessed by external apps,
> such as file managers and text editors.

Gforth can locate all these examples fine, use


to show where it searches.

It's like

“First, they came for the headphone jack, and I didn't care, because I didn't 
use one. Then, they came for the SD Card slot, and I didn't care, because my 
new phone has enough memory. But finally, they disabled access to files by 
party file managers, and then it was too late, because there's no competition 
beyond Google and Apple left“

There is some way within the app to open up access to its internal files, and 
I'll try to use that to open up Gforth's directories. It is just too silly.

Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
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