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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU

From: Miles Fidelman
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:08:56 -0400
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I hate to ask, but... is not GNU a trademark of the Free Software Foundation?

I get a little concerned about dilution of the GNU "brand" and message if this just happens willy nilly. Does FSF have an official position on this?

Miles Fidelman

Ramana Kumar wrote:
As promised, I've started a campaign page on LibrePlanet for New GNU.

Here it is:

I repeat my request for someone to set up a proper campaign home page.

Everyone please visit the wiki page and make one small improvement!

We can continue to clarify ideas on the wiki page and on this list.

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Ramana Kumar < <>> wrote:

    Thanks for mentioning Diaspora* - I actually hadn't heard of it
    before, and now I have requested an invite.

    It sounds like there are two actionable threads emerging from this
    1. organise promotion of free social networks, especially
    switching away from proprietary ones together as a group of
    friends, and
    2. organise promotion of free operating systems, possibly by
    introducing GNU to many people who haven't seen it or didn't know
    they were using it
    These activities can of course be linked, because they share the
    underlying message that freedom matters.

    In the spirit of Free as in United <> I think
    these two projects should have a homepage or two so we can clarify
    plans and ideas and get people involved.
    Who would like to host this? Remember the bystander effect: if you
    don't volunteer, maybe nobody will. So I am asking you to step up!
    In the meantime, I commit to start a page on the LibrePlanet Wiki
    to collate ideas raised so far by Monday 14th. (unless someone
    beats me to it :P)

    On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michał 'rysiek' Woźniak
    < <>> wrote:

        Dnia wtorek, 8 maja 2012 o 12:18:56 Patrick Anderson napisał(a):
        > We are fooling ourselves to believe P2P networking
        > such as Diaspora can solve our problems.
        > It only moves a very small part of the problem.
        > We, the users, must co-own the servers and the
        > buildings housing those servers, and the ISP connecting
        > us to those servers, and the factories used to create
        > those servers, and the power-plants used to power
        > those servers, and the fields used to supply the food
        > needed to power our bodies, and the water-rights
        > needed to grow that food, and the mines needed to
        > create all the tools needed for those operations, and
        > all the other parts, recursively, for all the production
        > needed to continuously recreate our daily needs for
        > all the things we need.
        > To leave any of this to corporations that we do not
        > control is to relinquish control of the planet to those
        > that must subjugate us in a variety of ways to
        > perpetuate the scarcity required in their maniacal
        > quest to keep price above costs.

        Absolutely. But we need to start *somewhere* and moving away from
        proprietary social networks is a good first step - first,
        because it
        can be made "fun" (as I wrote before; secondly, as after that,
        even if
        90% of users will be on
        <>, they will already be using a
        service with a protocol and decentralisation built-in. That
        means it
        will be trivial to move from server to server if need be.

        Instead of "moving away from Facebook and losing all my contacts"
        situation we will land in "I'll just change the server and
        notify all
        my contacts, just like with e-mail". Which is obviously much, much

        Other than that, pray tell, do you have a
        all plan to achieve what you wrote about? If so, I'm in. If
        not, we
        need to move one step at a time.

        Michał "rysiek" Woźniak

        Fundacja Wolnego i Otwartego Oprogramowania

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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