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Re: Documentation of what is appropriate for #guix?
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Matt |
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Re: Documentation of what is appropriate for #guix? |
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Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:39:13 -0500 |
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---- On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:36:30 -0500 Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@debian.org>
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> I admittedly forget to check the messages from chanserv for channels I
> frequent regularly, having personally grown accustomed to the norms of
> the channel...
In my opinion, it's easy to miss. I had to actively look for it. I use Emacs
erc. When I start that program and log in, I'm in a buffer for "Libera.Chat".
I then do /join #guix. This opens a new buffer, hiding the "Libera.Chat" buffer
and showing a new "#guix@Libera.Chat" buffer. The ChanServ message is printed
to the buried "Libera.Chat" buffer. The "#guix@Libera.Chat" buffer on connect
has a giant wall of text showing who's in the chat. It causes the buffer to
scroll to the bottom, hiding anything printed to the top. Scrolling up, I see
some links to various topics. I see no rules or guidelines there.
> So yes, linking to the Free System Distribution Guidelines implies what
> is off-topic, though is still maybe not targeted towards online
> communications; it more appears to be written with the audience of
> someone making a free software distribution or auditing one. It seems
> like the most relevent passage is:
>
> "A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any
> nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. The
> system should have no repositories for nonfree software and no
> specific recipes for installation of particular nonfree programs. Nor
> should the distribution refer to third-party repositories that are not
> committed to only including free software; even if they only have free
> software today, that may not be true tomorrow. Programs in the system
> should not suggest installing nonfree plugins, documentation, and so
> on."
>
> People often miss the part about not indirectly referring to non-free
> software. Even if pointed to the FSDG, it is admittedly a bit hard to
> grasp at times just what exactly constitutes "steer users towards
> obtaining any nonfree information for practical use" or how it applies
> to, say IRC. Individuals in IRC are not "the distribution", though the
> new and long-time community members obviously make up perhaps the most
> imporant part of the distribution.
I agree, it's hard to miss within the FSDG. Aside from linked (and not on a
main screen), it's several sections down within the FSDG.
> I only bring this up because I regularly see this come up in the IRC
> channel, and if an issue frequently comes up, usually that is a sign
> that something could be improved in documentation, website, tooling,
> etc. ... and when asked for one, I didn't have a good summary to point
> to in my toolbox.
>
>
> Maybe it is now my job to propose something concrete, but I was
> curious what others thought before diving into details. :)
I think your observation matches what I've seen and I think your suggestion to
address the problem makes sense. If you know how to and where to do this,
great. I wish I could be of more help. I'm only able to cheer you on and give
opinions.
Re: Documentation of what is appropriate for #guix?, Matt, 2022/02/19