RE: SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?)

[Vincent Belaïche]

Hello J-Ch,

>Nice start for the new year :)

>

>Hello Vincent,

>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 9:27, Vincent Belaïche <vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr> wrote:

>>

>> Hello,

>>

>> I have pushed the French translation of SES manual to master,

>

>It seems like you left French parts in the English manual as "todo

>items".

>

>For ex. l.168-210.

>

>https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/misc/ses.texi#n168

>

>Even if they're tagged as @ignore, I'm not sure that's good practice

>for potential translators to other languages.

I did it this way, in order to keep both contents aligned and do not

loose any contributed text, whatever is between « @ignore » … « @end

ignore » anyway does not go to the output document, this remains only in

the source code. Note that in addition of the « @ignore » I've put a

TODO comment for the translator to know that there is some re-alignment

to do.

Also, this new text may still need some adjustment, so I was not too in

a hurry to translate it to English (and may be some good will with a

better command of English than mine can also do that :-P ). One of the

motivation of translating the manual to French was also to make it

easier for me to contribute to it, and once I am satisfied with the

text, propagate to the English version.

>

>There are quite a few errors that could have been avoided by a

>spelling/grammatical check. LanguageTool can be used in Emacs for this.

>It is quite convenient. Here are a few :

>

>c-à-d. → c.-à-d.

>Les valeurs des cellules sont spécifiés → spécifiées

>varaiables → variables

Thank-you for reporting that, I just fixed and pushed quite a number of

fixes. Actually, I must admit that I had not paid too much attention

(and even almost not at all) to this, as my first intention was to

provide a makeinfo-compiling ses-fr.texi for those interested in

upgrading the Makefile.in script and experimenting this upgrade.

BTW, in the Makefile.in patch which I provided in my previous email, I

also had to tamper with the org.texi generation as there was a version

check error.

>

>There are inconsistencies between infinitive form and imperative form

>to describe actions. Etc.

Which form do you recommend ? Probably in French using infinitive is

better, but sometimes I translated too litterally and used the

imperative, like the English do.

>

>Let me really suggest that we organize a proper process to

>translate/proofread/commit, similar to what other big free software

>endeavors have.

>

>The Savannah project is dead. We can create another one, discuss our

>issues there and push the deliverables to the Emacs repo when they are

>ready.

>

I think that I have to install OmegaT and experiment it before I can

reply to this suggestion. I am not going to have time for this before

quite some time. I let you know when I do that. Just be patient …

   V.

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