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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] support me

From: Aaron Wolf
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] support me
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:52:09 -0700
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That link says it is expired. Anyway, I searched for "god" and
"freedom". I see no trademarks on those words. Nor can they be
trademarked. They can only be used in specific terms like "Freedom
Juice" and "Freedom Studios" and "Freedom Tower".

The simple fact that there are 4980 results for "freedom" show that
nobody controls the simple word "freedom".

Regardless, if you find bad trademark examples, that's no different from
other laws being used badly. I'm sure some trademarks get through that
should have been rejected and might be judged invalid if taken to  court.

On 04/17/2015 09:42 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
> the official uspto search engine
> have fun and don't cry
> Aaron Wolf <> writes:
>> Citations? Who has trademarked those words? I don't believe you that
>> anyone has gotten legal trademark of those.
>> On 04/17/2015 09:33 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
>>> Normal words cannot be trademark you say ... some people have trademark
>>> god christ freedom free ...
>>> The "normality" is what is not for some others ...
>>> Regards
>>> Aaron Wolf <> writes:
>>>> One clarification: To say simply: While Trademark is important, Git is
>>>> *abusing* their trademark by not simply accept GitBull quickly. The
>>>> situation is stupid. Git had *no* reason to stop a Kallithea host from
>>>> using a Git name, and trademark law should not give them that level of
>>>> power. If a service is fully and completely using Git software and doing
>>>> nothing that misrepresents their relationship to Git, they should be
>>>> accepted. However, Git *should* have the ability to complain and stop
>>>> the service from using the name if they start doing anything that could
>>>> be confused.
>>>> I think instead of stopping the use of the name, Git should simply
>>>> require a statement like "This service uses Git software but is not
>>>> officially connected to the Git project or endorsed by the Git project."
>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:13 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the news.
>>>>> Please learn more about trademark though. Trademark is NOT owning any
>>>>> word. Normal words cannot be trademarked, and trademark isn't full
>>>>> ownership of words. The Git project does not own the word "Git" if it
>>>>> were used for something like a brand of ice cream. They do not own the
>>>>> word in terms of people talking about the Git project. The do not
>>>>> control it completely. They have exclusive control over only a small
>>>>> area: the use of the word Git for *products* and *services* that are in
>>>>> the area where people could confuse them for being official Git products
>>>>> or services.
>>>>> In other words, trademark is a *consumer protection*. It helps make sure
>>>>> that the public are not tricked into thinking something is an official
>>>>> version or officially endorsed part of something when it is not. This
>>>>> does not make anyone a slave.
>>>>> By complaining to you, Git was saying: "We don't know that we fully
>>>>> endorse your GitBull service, and we are worried that the public may
>>>>> think your service has official connection to the Git project. So, we
>>>>> want to restrict the name Git here because we want people to know that
>>>>> if they see Git in the name of something similar to or related to the
>>>>> Git project that it isn't a fake thing or a trick or something."
>>>>> Now, *I* think it is wrong for Git to do anything other than realize
>>>>> that GitBull was fine. But I do *not* think they should have no
>>>>> trademark. I do *not* want someone else less responsible than you to
>>>>> make Git-something that actually uses Git badly or pretends to be like
>>>>> Git when it is actually not Git software but something similar but
>>>>> different. That might make people have bad experience and think badly of
>>>>> Git. Trademark is GOOD for the public, which is not true for patents and
>>>>> copyright.
>>>>> On 04/17/2015 02:02 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Coders!
>>>>>> So ... on start this thread wake up with Alimiracle who request for
>>>>>> support for fully free solution for his codes host.
>>>>>> It is right that many solution already exist, but they are not all
>>>>>> completly free or try to be, but are not.
>>>>>> We try on our side to make this place a reality, which represent many
>>>>>> trouble, but, find the way with kallithea.
>>>>>> At first we have used the name gitbull, git for the tool ... bull for
>>>>>> the horns of the gnu beast.
>>>>>> But freedom is not the same in the mind of every humans.
>>>>>> The Software Freedom Conservancy ping me (very correctly) but ping me on
>>>>>> the fact we use the term git and the point that git is trademark.
>>>>>> That make me discover that many things are trademark and by the way ping
>>>>>> LibrePlanet to act on LibreMark.
>>>>>> We can't own a name, because to make it short if i own the name earth
>>>>>> you are all my slave. If I own the name fire, your ass will freeze ...
>>>>>> A bit strong form of explanation, but simple enought to say that it is
>>>>>> not because you own a word that in front the reality of this know part
>>>>>> of the bubble universes where we live it is the reality.
>>>>>> You don't own anything, but yes you can use the force to jail me. Very
>>>>>> human and in human by the way.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> We push all our things to
>>>>>> and continue to make the things free as in freedom and price.
>>>>>> I understand that this last point is very difficult for some people to
>>>>>> understand, but if you think of this planet 7000 years before there were
>>>>>> no money and things were not so bad.
>>>>>> Maybe money is the chain of slavery you just don't have ping in your
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>> Welcome to our Free Coding Community, Welcome to Bull Codes
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