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[libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives

From: Logan Streondj
Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 05:38:31 -0400

another thing that always trips me up on these GNU mailing lists,
is that I always forget to hit g for "reply-all", since only GNU mailing lists have this requirement.
I'm sure a lot of discussion is lost due to these foolish settings.
for all other mailing lists ever if you hit reply, it replies to everyone,
or the mailing list, as default.

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From: Logan Streondj <>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives
To: Yoni Rabkin <>

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 05:27:18PM -0400, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
> Aaron Wolf <> writes:
> > Why the incredible desire to use existing source code? Why not use the
> > wasted time and efforts spent arguing about this reverse engineering
> > your software and just be done with it. …
> Because works of personal opinion are different than useful software.
> --
>    "Cut your own wood and it will warm you twice"

works of personal opinion can be software with a speakable
programming language. :-D

In fact, works of opinion are used to program humans,
which have more processing power than at least most computers,
possibly than any computer thus far created.

So in a way you could say, works of opinion, are extremely
powerful pieces of software.


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From: Logan Streondj <>
Date: Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Fwd: The FSF Allows No Derivatives
To: Yoni Rabkin <>

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:03:29AM -0400, Yoni Rabkin wrote:
> Logan Streondj <> writes:
> >
> > So in a way you could say, works of opinion, are extremely
> > powerful pieces of software.
> I license my own blog under CC-BY-SA but I don't see, so far, a concrete

that's good to hear :-D

> problem with the FSF licensing essays on the site with ND.
> I think that a powerful argument would be if someone created something
> real: the GCC of essays if you will. Then point the FSF at that and say:
> "See, this wonderful thing is what you are not allowing me to
> release. Please change the the ND license on those essays so that the
> whole free software community can benefit from my work."

well, like you I'd be releasing it as share-alike,
thus wouldn't have to bother with GNU's oddities in this domain.
actually more likely i'd be publishing it under GPL,
since it is software code afterall, human software.

> But I don't know what that would be. If I did, then I would probably
> appreciate the point being made about why ND is bad in this context.

it's not bad for me per sey, it is bad for GNU.

so for instance I, or someone like you who uses a share-alike
license, publishes a story or essay which moves people into
action to use their software.

due to the share-alike ability, it can not only be translated,
but be refined to be effective in different cultural contexts.
for instance some western-culture idioms may be offensive in
other cultures.

complicated technical jargon could be expanded into less
ambigious and easier to understand words and phrases.

Alternatively there might be an error in the original essay,
such as either typo's or citations, or even dead-links, all of
which could be updated in subsequent reposts of the original.

with the ND license for GNU however, that restricts the audience
to be English speakers, who understand the technical jargon of
English computer programmers.
Jargon like "string", "character" and "loops" don't inform lay
people, only those with formal education in computer

while likely not the only reason, it may be a reason why the
open-source community is so limited to mainly English speaking
white males.

When I was a Windows user, it was the reading of news articles,
and GNU "opinion pieces", which motivated me to switch over to
Linux.  This however is not a viable solution for even Spanish
speaking folk which pervade GNU-Social.

I've even come across people from a Spanish speaking background
on GNU-Social that don't even know about the GNU Gnu
association, likely because it's not translated to Spanish
speaking internet.

While I'm not aware of any studies on this matter, but I would
imagine that there would be extremely few non-English GNU
supporters, since obviously they can't know much about it,
due to ND licensing.

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