Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup
>>> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via
>>> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface
>>> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list.
>>> How come?



David Z Maze <dmaze@mit.edu> writes:

>> Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth
>> consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep
>> around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and
>> expire articles beyond that.  If you have infinite disk space and
>> bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google
>> Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the
>> requirements become much more reasonable.


I just want to fetch via gnus some old articles I posted some time ago,
now that I've just really started using Gnus.


David:

>> I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can
>> probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical
>> purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand.



Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes:

> Take a look at the group archive:
> http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/msg/45694c47fa0b026a
> subject: backfill of usenet postings
>
> The post quotes:
> info "(gnus)Finding the Parent"



Thanks for your replies.

Andrzej, your indication seems very interesting:
I put in my ~/.gnus.el the stuff reported in the info:


     (setq gnus-refer-article-method
           '(current
             (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google))))


, then in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer I did 'M-^'
and entered the Message-ID I was looking for; I waited for a while for
gnus to search into google, then the message:


  
Opening nnweb server on google...done
Loading url-auth...done
Contacting host: www.google.com:80
Loading url-cache...done
Contacting host: groups.google.com:80
Trying again (2)...
Contacting host: www.google.com:80
Requested article not found
Generating summary...done
Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com>
No such article (may have expired or been canceled)
Contacting host: groups.google.com:80


. Should I give it up and accept the defeat?
But I insist that the article is present in Google archives, at:

http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19

, and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html

, so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) 
be a way to fetch it via gnus.
Other toughts/suggestions?

Cheers,
Rodolfo